tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post1852584393163599401..comments2023-09-24T12:47:57.051+01:00Comments on Unzipped: Rumours: 10 000 Turkish football fans in Yerevan?artmikahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11207317653711435445noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-6696402423935737402008-09-02T11:06:00.000+01:002008-09-02T11:06:00.000+01:00Turkey bars its football fans from attending Armen...Turkey bars its football fans from attending Armenia-Turkey World Cup qualifying match, apparently for security reasons. (as per my comments <A HREF="http://unzipped.blogspot.com/2008/08/report-turkish-president-accepts.html?showComment=1220307420000#c5075298576468595073" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://unzipped.blogspot.com/2008/08/report-turkish-president-accepts.html?showComment=1220349600000#c5327863831092237867" REL="nofollow">here</A>)artmikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207317653711435445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-43143536821649068802008-08-14T14:36:00.000+01:002008-08-14T14:36:00.000+01:00Armenian government waves visa requirement for Tur...<A HREF="http://unzipped.blogspot.com/2008/08/armenian-government-waves-visa.html" REL="nofollow">Armenian government waves visa requirement for Turkish football fans: 20-25 000 are expected</A>artmikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207317653711435445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-60100674045551052682008-08-07T23:03:00.000+01:002008-08-07T23:03:00.000+01:00Well, ARF-D is an obvious issue here, but let's fa...Well, ARF-D is an obvious issue here, but let's face it, the new president wants this match and will issue orders to make nothing is done to see it turn into chaos or a scandal.<BR/><BR/>This is the point.<BR/><BR/>As for the numbers, I heard tonight from a diplomatic source that 7,000 away tickets have been issued (ie to Turkey).. This might be why the rumors, but there is now word on how many have been bought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-62275022729996270102008-08-07T17:32:00.000+01:002008-08-07T17:32:00.000+01:001)What does commenting on the lack of professional...1)What does commenting on the lack of professionalism of our police officers (a known and undisputable fact admitted by both sides) have anything to do with internal politics? It’s funny to see people be the first to mention the opposition and then whip themselves into hysteria over its over-exposure.<BR/>2) Artmika is the one that brought up ARF-D in the original post, so internal politics are absolutely relevant to begin with. I’d imagine if in a nationalist frenzy, the party decided to burn a Turkish flag or three to prove just how patriotic they are and just how much they love Armenia, it could be a bit of an emergency, one that I’m afraid our police forces aren’t equipped to handle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-46598673279891811462008-08-07T14:41:00.000+01:002008-08-07T14:41:00.000+01:00Actually, police presence at opposition rallies po...Actually, police presence at opposition rallies post-1 March has been fine (with one or two undisciplined examples). They may lack professionalism and be getting up to dodgy things in other areas, but at demos they're fine now and it's not uncommon to see them chatting with protesters. Moreover, they are polite, believe it or not. <BR/><BR/>They even don't wear riot gear now, which they shouldn't, although I don't doubt there's a riot squad or two tucked away just in case (which is also how it would be done in other countries).<BR/><BR/>As someone who has photographed demos since 1999 and always had to complain about their behavior, in the past few months I can only single out two examples of individuals not working properly. <BR/><BR/>(one telling me to f*** off when I photographed him and a whole load of others blocking off Liberty Square, and one pushing his riot shield into my camera as it was to my eye and breaking my lens hood.<BR/><BR/>Besides, the new president and government really does not need running battles on the streets of Yerevan and I would applaud both sides for making sure they don't happen. The police behave well, and opposition leaders control their people.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, that's going off the point of Mika's post, but just to say that I hope the Turkish and Armenian authorities can work together on this. If not with Turkish police officers on the ground to work with Armenian police, but certainly to prevent known hooligans or nationalists from coming to disrupt matters.<BR/><BR/>There really needs to be inter-governmental communication on matters relating to security for this match, and I hope it happens as that too would mark another precedent which could contribute to developing relations between the two countries.<BR/><BR/>Now, hopefully we can stay on-topic on this post and not least because domestic politics shouldn't enter into trying to get this match to pass as smoothly as possible. Ironically, however, I suspect it will -- and from fanatics on both sides.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-55992494228380468132008-08-07T04:48:00.000+01:002008-08-07T04:48:00.000+01:00"I don't discount the possibility of some actions,..."I don't discount the possibility of some actions, but at the same time, police presence is going to be huge."<BR/><BR/>Well, given the professionalism and the vast legal expertise of our police officers, that makes me feel so much better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-6674545585759156982008-08-06T20:12:00.000+01:002008-08-06T20:12:00.000+01:00Forget even the air ticket price (and for football...Forget even the air ticket price (and for football, fans will pay enough), what about hotels? Where will they all stay during peak tourism season in Yerevan.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I'm not expecting so many and I wouldn't believe such rumors until we know for sure. As for Dashnaks, one diplomatic source says he believes as part of government they'll be kept under control.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I don't discount the possibility of some actions, but at the same time, police presence is going to be huge. They'll be everywhere to avoid any chance of what will turn into a huge disaster for both countries.<BR/><BR/>What will be interesting, however, is as Turkish football fans are known to get out of hand from time to time, will the Turkish authorities attempt to do anything to help the Armenian police?<BR/><BR/>British police are sometimes sent abroad for our problem fans, but I can't see that happening in this case for obvious reasons. Nevertheless, I don't know what will happen.<BR/><BR/>I hope it will pass without incident, but this is football and nationalism combined and thus has the potential for trouble. Let's hope not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-87375547464530051312008-08-06T19:37:00.000+01:002008-08-06T19:37:00.000+01:00re: a dream come true for the ARF, I think it is m...re: a dream come true for the ARF, I think it is more interesting to comment on die-hard HHSh folks.<BR/><BR/>I recall in Yerevan many were cheering for Turkey at the last World Cup qualifications, arguing for friendly relations blah blah blah.<BR/><BR/>It will be interesting to see what side of the stadium these groveling house-slaves will want to cheer from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-82702988544056883032008-08-06T17:03:00.000+01:002008-08-06T17:03:00.000+01:001) I don't think 10,000 will come - 1-2,000 max. T...1) I don't think 10,000 will come - 1-2,000 max. They don't know yet how expensive the air-ticket is!<BR/><BR/>2) ARF can be very nicely disciplined if they are told to, so no need to worry about them.Mediapitekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13430544554322405646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-65253033734874702582008-08-06T16:03:00.000+01:002008-08-06T16:03:00.000+01:00You never know. They need to justify their existen...You never know. They need to justify their existence.Ankakh_Hayastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05325640735361093139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4331396433182434044.post-71025536754121943942008-08-06T15:34:00.000+01:002008-08-06T15:34:00.000+01:00"All eyes will be on nationalist ARF Dashnaktsutyu..."All eyes will be on nationalist ARF Dashnaktsutyun party."<BR/>Sometime you amaze me.<BR/>They wont do a single bodymove.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com